Trivia Do atheists realize that everyone is born believing in God?

[jayendecastro]

I'm not mentioning any religions here, my point is nag try k n bng bumasa? yung naranasan n part yes and yes it is about stories that reflects our lives in a daily basis Im not here to force you to accept my reasons, I'm just suggesting you to read before you judge hindi porket di mo nkikita or nararanasan eh d na nag eexist may mga bagay sa mundong ito na ikaw na mismong ang maghahanap sabihin mo n mali aqoh about sa paniniwala qoh pero I dare you to read once

Im asking kung may insights ka na di nag-aagree sa insights ng iba or religious leader mo if u belong in one… yan ba ibig mo sabihin na ung stories na nagrereflect sa daily lives ng tao eh somehow di pareho ang insight na nakuha mo sa nakuha ng iba?? Like what??

And yes ive read the bible kaya nga madameng bagay dun that i dont agree with…

And yang porket di nakikita or nararanasan eh di na nageexists na thinking eh san pa sa buhay mo inaapply?? Ganan ba mentality towards everything??? Sa daily life mo??

Naniniwala ka ba sa ibang dios?? Sa ibang holy books?? Kasi pd gawin reasoning sayo yan ng iba na porket di mo nakikita or naeexperience ang god nila eh di na nageexists

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

iba yung binabasa s kumukuha ng insight yes you might read but you cant understand? what is the context? what is the story? and what the word referring to? yes sa pamahon ngyon just google it but do you understand the context?

So, you chalk it it down to atheist not understanding the concept. Like athiests can't come up with this insight from non-religious sources.

See.. ung mga kunsepto na tinatawag mong insight from the Bible, mga philosophical ideas yan na pinaniniwalaan na natin based sa social environment natin. The reality is, marami sa mga religious kuno, naghahanap lng sila ng bits and pieces ng Bible na tutugma sa paniniwala at personal ethics nila. Essentially, the Bible functions more like a persuasion tool than a book of knowledge, but it is effective because it feels like knowledge to the persuaded.

 

[liamxio]

So, you chalk it it down to atheist not understanding the concept. Like athiests can't come up with this insight from non-religious sources.

See.. ung mga kunsepto na tinatawag mong insight from the Bible, mga philosophical ideas yan na pinaniniwalaan na natin based sa social environment natin. The reality is, marami sa mga religious kuno, naghahanap lng sila ng bits and pieces ng Bible na tutugma sa paniniwala at personal ethics nila. Essentially, the Bible functions more like a persuasion tool than a book of knowledge, but it is effective because it feels like knowledge to the persuade

if you read a book you can gather knowledge about its content, dont make it so hard for you to swallow what I am trying to say. dami mong blebberish thoughts pero d mo namn sinubukan bumasa? right? I respect your side as an atheist but let me tell you straight.. its not aBOUT the ethics of other people Im talking about, it is your own opinion when you try to read it simple db the word chalk it down is not a synoymns for "try" what I am trying to say is, bat d k muna tumikim ng bago mo husgahan dont try to gather info on others because every one of us has its own point of view hindi yung magtatanong sa ibang tao kung ano ang lasa bat d mo tikman muna bago a mag judge db simple.. if you dont believe in God, its up to you but I tell you brother, when you look to the vast ocean you will not be able to see the creatures of it if you wont dive to it and explore it..

Im asking kung may insights ka na di nag-aagree sa insights ng iba or religious leader mo if u belong in one… yan ba ibig mo sabihin na ung stories na nagrereflect sa daily lives ng tao eh somehow di pareho ang insight na nakuha mo sa nakuha ng iba?? Like what??

And yes ive read the bible kaya nga madameng bagay dun that i dont agree with…

And yang porket di nakikita or nararanasan eh di na nageexists na thinking eh san pa sa buhay mo inaapply?? Ganan ba mentality towards everything??? Sa daily life mo??

Naniniwala ka ba sa ibang dios?? Sa ibang holy books?? Kasi pd gawin reasoning sayo yan ng iba na porket di mo nakikita or naeexperience ang god nila eh di na nageexists

let me tell you this, lahat ng sinabi mo is puro patanong db sabi mo maraming bagay n hindi ka nag aagree sa bible? absolutely thats true, lalo n pag nag focus k lng sa iilang mga verse nito, malilito k talaga kc una plng you just read it. its not about religion, it is faith . (John 20:29) if you dont believe that their is a God well I respect you walang creation kung walang creator, science says it so. (Genesis 1:1) that is my point and dont ask me about your questions because iba ang hinahanap mo n sagot, kc ang pananaw mo is not believing well thats fine by me, I have no obligation to prove to you that I am right or you are wrong, you have you own time I guess, but I tell you this brother (John 3:16) it includes you peace yow

 

[Asherah Goddess]

O sige na nga. Ito ang insight ko.

"John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life".

Objective lang po. For me.

Insight ko po is ano God na itinutukoy po? Abstract po or act like a human po? Kung act like a human po, disagree ako. But kung abstract po, agree ako. Haha. Kapag act like a human po kase, it is like a human who demands love at kung hindi ito ni-love ng tao na pabalik, ang consequence ng action ay mapupunta ang tao sa hell. Which is a no, no and no for me.

Ang abstract cannot be explained like equivalent to love and love is subjective and abstract po. Katulad ng universe na beyond siya, expand and cannot be explained....... ganun. And katagang verse na ganyan ay not literal interpretation but ang katagang act like a human katulad ng meron consequence of action kapag hindi minahal na pabalik, is a no, no and no for me dahil ang nakikita ko ay ang interpretation nito, literal. And dahil sa interpretation, ang lalabas is bias. And the reason na bias ay dahil ang lumalabas lamang na Christian lamang ang maliligtas sa lahat ng belief system sa buong mundo na make up ng thousand religion in the whole wide world - and so, you know? Mas illogical para sa akin ang interpretation nito bilang God so loved the world who acts like a human being and will punish people kapag hindi siya minahal na pabalik.

Iyon ang insight ko. But sabi ko, depende sa interpretation po. So kapag feel na feel o based on what we feel lang ang susundin, lalo na kung ituturo interpretation is God bilang akto tao at mapagmahal kaya siya lang ang mamahalin forever but kapag hindi minahal na pabalik o iba ang paniniwala ng tao, ang consequence ng action ay punishment or hell.... well, sa kanila na iyon.

Ang akin ay hindi ganyan pero based on what I see, majority ng mga tao kase ay naniniwala sa katagang punishment or consequence ng hell kapag other beliefs na po o kapag hindi minahal ang God nila na pabalik po.

Iyon po.

So for me, huwag na lang mag rely in the bible. Pwede din. But pwede kumuha kung ano lang beneficial o advantage sa atin pero hindi sa lahat ng pagkakataon.

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Dagdag ko lang. Ang concept lang diba ng God in the bible is kung maniniwala sa kanya, heaven. Kapag hindi naniwala sa kanya, hell. Parang exclusive for Christian lamang. Ang ibig sabihin lang iyan, ang non-Christian would not be saved at all. Para siyang bargain ika nga. For me.​

 

[jayendecastro]

if you read a book you can gather knowledge about its content, dont make it so hard for you to swallow what I am trying to say. dami mong blebberish thoughts pero d mo namn sinubukan bumasa? right? I respect your side as an atheist but let me tell you straight.. its not aBOUT the ethics of other people Im talking about, it is your own opinion when you try to read it simple db the word chalk it down is not a synoymns for "try" what I am trying to say is, bat d k muna tumikim ng bago mo husgahan dont try to gather info on others because every one of us has its own point of view hindi yung magtatanong sa ibang tao kung ano ang lasa bat d mo tikman muna bago a mag judge db simple.. if you dont believe in God, its up to you but I tell you brother, when you look to the vast ocean you will not be able to see the creatures of it if you wont dive to it and explore it..


let me tell you this, lahat ng sinabi mo is puro patanong db sabi mo maraming bagay n hindi ka nag aagree sa bible? absolutely thats true, lalo n pag nag focus k lng sa iilang mga verse nito, malilito k talaga kc una plng you just read it. its not about religion, it is faith . (John 20:29) if you dont believe that their is a God well I respect you walang creation kung walang creator, science says it so. (Genesis 1:1) that is my point and dont ask me about your questions because iba ang hinahanap mo n sagot, kc ang pananaw mo is not believing well thats fine by me, I have no obligation to prove to you that I am right or you are wrong, you have you own time I guess, but I tell you this brother (John 3:16) it includes you peace yow

Yes madame nga ako tanong and yet u refused to answer any of them… ask ko lang if meron kang insight na di aligned sa insights ng kapwa mo believer.. thats quite a simple question to answer.

If its about faith, then ulitin ko..may faith ka ba sa ibang gods? Ibang religious texts??

Science says what about god? About creation?

Im not asking na iprove mo na tama ka..im just asking you if kinokonsider mo din yang ganang logic mo sa ibang gods at sa daily life mo

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

if you read a book you can gather knowledge about its content, dont make it so hard for you to swallow what I am trying to say. dami mong blebberish thoughts pero d mo namn sinubukan bumasa? right? I respect your side as an atheist but let me tell you straight.. its not aBOUT the ethics of other people Im talking about, it is your own opinion when you try to read it simple db the word chalk it down is not a synoymns for "try" what I am trying to say is, bat d k muna tumikim ng bago mo husgahan dont try to gather info on others because every one of us has its own point of view hindi yung magtatanong sa ibang tao kung ano ang lasa bat d mo tikman muna bago a mag judge db simple.. if you dont believe in God, its up to you but I tell you brother, when you look to the vast ocean you will not be able to see the creatures of it if you wont dive to it and explore it..

I guess mas madali idefend ang position mo by assuming na hindi ako nagtry ever at nanghuhusga ako ng walang basehan. How about mag reflect ka kung ano tlga ginagawa mo tuwing nag gagather ka kuno ng insight. Think about how much you are putting words into the mouth of the authors for for you to get an insight based on modern thinking. Next, try to find some random book, you will be surprised that your technique works for any book, and there is nothing special about the bible in that regard.

 

[liamxio]

Yes madame nga ako tanong and yet u refused to answer any of them… ask ko lang if meron kang insight na di aligned sa insights ng kapwa mo believer.. thats quite a simple question to answer.

If its about faith, then ulitin ko..may faith ka ba sa ibang gods? Ibang religious texts??

Science says what about god? About creation?

Im not asking na iprove mo na tama ka..im just asking you if kinokonsider mo din yang ganang logic mo sa ibang gods at sa daily life mo

Well give me your specific questions bka masagot ko right? I am not up for a debate kc mhirap i prove ang point qoh s way ng beliefs mo. But when u question my faith? I believe their is a God that rules over, omnipotence omni presence and omniscience. And Its all in the bible. And you will ask me all the books are the same? Well try to read a bible, and its verses and chapters, all the prophets and witnesses wrote, it is compile as a book not an ordianary book but a living proof that God exist its was written base on their life and proving that all that is written are pertaining that God exist.. that is my faith and my life is a proof. For it is a blessing to share to you and tell you that their is a God

I guess mas madali idefend ang position mo by assuming na hindi ako nagtry ever at nanghuhusga ako ng walang basehan. How about mag reflect ka kung ano tlga ginagawa mo tuwing nag gagather ka kuno ng insight. Think about how much you are putting words into the mouth of the authors for for you to get an insight based on modern thinking. Next, try to find some random book, you will be surprised that your technique works for any book, and there is nothing special about the bible in that regard.

I reflected a long time ago bro, I am not up to break your beliefs but to tell my own experience about God's ways. Ask kita do you believe there is a God? Then I will tell you absolutely is a big Yes! Marami n kong nabasa n libro ni isa is puro theory puro "baka" then comes the bible, verse by verse written by different peoples, prophets, kings, disciples lahat nag bibigay ng absolute n answer that God exist..

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

Well give me your specific questions bka masagot ko right? I am not up for a debate kc mhirap i prove ang point qoh s way ng beliefs mo. But when u question my faith? I believe their is a God that rules over, omnipotence omni presence and omniscience. And Its all in the bible. And you will ask me all the books are the same? Well try to read a bible, and its verses and chapters, all the prophets and witnesses wrote, it is compile as a book not an ordianary book but a living proof that God exist its was written base on their life and proving that all that is written are pertaining that God exist.. that is my faith and my life is a proof. For it is a blessing to share to you and tell you that their is a God


I reflected a long time ago bro, I am not up to break your beliefs but to tell my own experience about God's ways. Ask kita do you believe there is a God? Then I will tell you absolutely is a big Yes! Marami n kong nabasa n libro ni isa is puro theory puro "baka" then comes the bible, verse by verse written by different peoples, prophets, kings, disciples lahat nag bibigay ng absolute n answer that God exist..

I do not thing you see his point. He is pointing out an ung mga magagandang insights as Bible ay matatagpuan din sa mga libro na walang kinalaman sa Christianity.

So lahat ng nabasa mong libro na walang kinalaman sa sa CHristianity ay tungkol sa theory? Seems to me na sa pananaw mo, everything na hindi Christian related is about Big Bang Theory.

Kuha tayo ng isang simple example. Hindi ba sa Genesis, isang possible insight ay yung obedience sa utos ng diety? Why is it isang bagay din ito na itinuturo ng Greek Myth na Pandora's Box? Are the insights of the Bible really that unique?

 

[liamxio]

I do not thing you see his point. He is pointing out an ung mga magagandang insights as Bible ay matatagpuan din sa mga libro na walang kinalaman sa Christianity.

So lahat ng nabasa mong libro na walang kinalaman sa sa CHristianity ay tungkol sa theory? Seems to me na sa pananaw mo, everything na hindi Christian related is about Big Bang Theory.

Kuha tayo ng isang simple example. Hindi ba sa Genesis, isang possible insight ay yung obedience sa utos ng diety? Why is it isang bagay din ito na itinuturo ng Greek Myth na Pandora's Box? Are the insights of the Bible really that unique?

medyo paiba iba ng topic tayo sir, focus po tau sa bible my point is all about the bible kasi magulo talaga, the word deity dont exist in the bible. and about christianity its is written po ito sa new testament na halata nman n hindi ka aware sir the old testament like genesis is about creation indi lng bsta obedience.. for the context says God created man to his own image. bigbang theory is Georges Lemaître idea.. Idea nia po yan pero wlang basehan kasi hindi nmn mapatunayan. if you see the reasoning here lumalaktaw k lng sa mga tanong mo. and for your info bible is not a theory, it is written and proven that all books maski ang quaran I nag aagree na God himself exist.. maski si hawkins n sikat n scientist ay nag agree.. maski c eEinstein.. mas maganda sir try to read the bible para hindi bitin yung kaalaman mo kc lahat ng pointers ko is aboiut the context of the bible.. read it! kc makikipag debate aqoh sa kulang ang kaalaman hindi talaga tau magkakaintindn sir

 

[jayendecastro]

Well give me your specific questions bka masagot ko right? I am not up for a debate kc mhirap i prove ang point qoh s way ng beliefs mo. But when u question my faith? I believe their is a God that rules over, omnipotence omni presence and omniscience. And Its all in the bible. And you will ask me all the books are the same? Well try to read a bible, and its verses and chapters, all the prophets and witnesses wrote, it is compile as a book not an ordianary book but a living proof that God exist its was written base on their life and proving that all that is written are pertaining that God exist.. that is my faith and my life is a proof. For it is a blessing to share to you and tell you that their is a God

I asked u na.. twice… backread mo na lang..

And im not questioning your faith..im questioning ung reasoning mo…

Yang mga sinabi mo like may religious texts ka na pinapaniwalaan, na di sya ordinary book lang, na ur life is proof, na u have faith.. and same reasoning lang ng ibang believer towards their own religious texts amd their own god… so pano yan? Ur god and their gods exist at the same time? Even if part ng turo senyo eh isa lang god nyo??

 

[liamxio]

I asked u na.. twice… backread mo na lang..

And im not questioning your faith..im questioning ung reasoning mo…

Yang mga sinabi mo like may religious texts ka na pinapaniwalaan, na di sya ordinary book lang, na ur life is proof, na u have faith.. and same reasoning lang ng ibang believer towards their own religious texts amd their own god… so pano yan? Ur god and their gods exist at the same time? Even if part ng turo senyo eh isa lang god nyo??

I see your point sabi qoh nga I believe there is only one God nothing less..

 

[jayendecastro]

I see your point sabi qoh nga I believe there is only one God nothing less..

Good that gets mo na point ko. Unfortunately that does not add credibility sa claims mo. The only fact here is that the existence ng mga believers to a particular deity or deities.. the existence of such deity is another matter.

 

[liamxio]

Good that gets mo na point ko. Unfortunately that does not add credibility sa claims mo. The only fact here is that the existence ng mga believers to a particular deity or deities.. the existence of such deity is another matter.

Its not about my credibility ang claims qoh sir. My goal is to share to you that God exist even you deny the facts, why I insist? Just like sinabi mo n existance of believers and you said n maraming deities. Yes pero na ingrave n s kanilang culture ang beliefs about their deities. Kinalakihan n ng sangkatauhan n sumamba s iba ibang diyos.. bkit ko nsabi nkasulat s bible yn sir s exodus.. kya nga may 10 commandment eh kc nga nature n nag tao ang maghanap nang sariling diyos diyosan, bkit kamo? Dahil nrin s originated sin n ng tao, nung unang panahon plng sir marami ng man made deities panahon p ni adam and eve.. hanggang s panahon ngyon kung babasahin ang bible nandun lhat ang sagot s tanong mo sir why specifically we are eager to search the truth pero we deny the existance of a creator... Khit n may bible n we always deny it and search for another answer.. nsa bible din yn sir n marami ang hindi maniniwala s Diyos it is written every single details.. my goal is to share to you what I've experience nasa sayo n un sir if ever sumang ayon k or hindi, we have the free will and God dont want us to force to acknowledge Him.

 

[Asherah Goddess]

Ahhh. Man-made ang mga deities ng iba-ibang relihiyon pero hindi man-made ang nakasulat sa bible. Lupit a. Wala lang. So sinabi na sila lang ang meron true deity pero sa other religions are fake. Bias ba yun o hinde? Napaisip lang naman.​

 

[Kaplok Kaplok]

medyo paiba iba ng topic tayo sir, focus po tau sa bible my point is all about the bible kasi magulo talaga, the word deity dont exist in the bible. and about christianity its is written po ito sa new testament na halata nman n hindi ka aware sir the old testament like genesis is about creation indi lng bsta obedience.. for the context says God created man to his own image. bigbang theory is Georges Lemaître idea.. Idea nia po yan pero wlang basehan kasi hindi nmn mapatunayan. if you see the reasoning here lumalaktaw k lng sa mga tanong mo. and for your info bible is not a theory, it is written and proven that all books maski ang quaran I nag aagree na God himself exist.. maski si hawkins n sikat n scientist ay nag agree.. maski c eEinstein.. mas maganda sir try to read the bible para hindi bitin yung kaalaman mo kc lahat ng pointers ko is aboiut the context of the bible.. read it! kc makikipag debate aqoh sa kulang ang kaalaman hindi talaga tau magkakaintindn sir

Nagbigay lang ako sayo ng example. Hindi natin iniiba ang topic. Analogy lang yan.

The issue is, you are not really "reading" the Bible. Namimili ka lng ng bits and pieces na tutugma na sa mga philosophy inadopt mo outside the Bible. Yet, you convince yourself na this is the source, and worst you feel the rest of the world is ignorant as if what you are doing is special. You are using the same logical fallacy ng mga conspiracy theorist without even realizing. Buti pa nga conspiracy theorist kahit papano gumagamit ng evidence outside the Bible.

 

[jayendecastro]

Its not about my credibility ang claims qoh sir. My goal is to share to you that God exist even you deny the facts, why I insist? Just like sinabi mo n existance of believers and you said n maraming deities. Yes pero na ingrave n s kanilang culture ang beliefs about their deities. Kinalakihan n ng sangkatauhan n sumamba s iba ibang diyos.. bkit ko nsabi nkasulat s bible yn sir s exodus.. kya nga may 10 commandment eh kc nga nature n nag tao ang maghanap nang sariling diyos diyosan, bkit kamo? Dahil nrin s originated sin n ng tao, nung unang panahon plng sir marami ng man made deities panahon p ni adam and eve.. hanggang s panahon ngyon kung babasahin ang bible nandun lhat ang sagot s tanong mo sir why specifically we are eager to search the truth pero we deny the existance of a creator... Khit n may bible n we always deny it and search for another answer.. nsa bible din yn sir n marami ang hindi maniniwala s Diyos it is written every single details.. my goal is to share to you what I've experience nasa sayo n un sir if ever sumang ayon k or hindi, we have the free will and God dont want us to force to acknowledge Him.

Im not questioning ung credibility mo…. The credibility that im questioning eh ung claim mo itself.

i repeat, yang mga sinasabi mo na nakasulat kasi.. may mga utos kasi is not exclusive sa bible.. merong mga ganyan sa ibang religion along with their own specific deity… even stories like ****** birth, great flood etc eh makikita din sa ibang relihiyon…

Talaga ba may madami na man made gods nung panahon pa lang nina adam and eve?? Or u mean na may mga god concepts na din na existing alongside sa god concept ng bible?